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bill: juan you're squinting when she is talking there. >> giving me a side eye? >> i think she's on target when she says if you ask reporters, are they more likely to be democrats or republicans, they're more likely to be democrats and liberals not any question. the other side of this if you ask owners, ask editors they're more likely to be republican. i think the american people are smart enough to reach conclusions for themselves. i don't think anybody is selling them a bill of goods and bunch of dummies who swallow it whole cloth. i think people are critical consumers of news media, when you ask them about defending obama and attacking romney, that's why you get results in fox poll. when you ask him about fairness is it fair that's when you get the different set of results, you know what, people are getting in some sense what they deserve when they do stupid things. >> like mess up in benghazi. >> the rest, fox poll, the next question was does the american press spend too much time covering silly things. that was overwhelming. people think the press spends too
bill: juan you're squinting when she is talking there. >> giving me a side eye? >> i think she's on target when she says if you ask reporters, are they more likely to be democrats or republicans, they're more likely to be democrats and liberals not any question. the other side of this if you ask owners, ask editors they're more likely to be republican. i think the american people are smart enough to reach conclusions for themselves. i don't think anybody is selling them a bill of...
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bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy, when casper wineberger, former president ronald reagan's defense secretary, was implicated in the iran contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president, did not need. in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day in a razor-thin race between president bush and john kerry. three years after 9/11, it served as a reminder of the terrorist threat and strategists in both parties believed helped president bush. more recently the term october surprise has come to mean a seismic event in the fall of an election year. though most have centered around foreign policy, others have been about the economy, like in 2008. when the economy imploded, john mccain's advisors say his campaign collapsed along with it and never recovered. historians say in order for an october surprise to have a real 11th hour impact, it has to feed into a narrative that already exists, whether it's carter's ineffectiveness or
bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy, when casper wineberger, former president ronald reagan's defense secretary, was implicated in the iran contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president, did not need. in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day in a razor-thin race between president bush and john kerry. three years after...
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in 1996 when bill clinton was running for reelection, at this point in the campaign he was not at 44%. he was at 504%. that is that 10 percent difference president obama has so destroyed the confidence of his own party in an independence that he is lagging ten points behind where bill clinton was. he is in terrible political say and for reasons i will review here shortly he is going to get worse before it gets better. i personally believe that 44 percent is a ceiling, not a floor. that is, inflated. my friend, great assistant to richard nixon, ronald reagan speech writer and adviser has long argued that there is no such thing as a bradley effect. the bradley effect is named for mayor tom bradley of los angeles when he ran against george deukmejian did not do as well in the final balloting is he had been doing in the polling. for years pundits have ascribe that to the brad the affected people are free to say they're not going to vote for african-american because they don't want to be up to the prejudice he they're talking anonymously to pollsters. and he has all the data, and i believe
in 1996 when bill clinton was running for reelection, at this point in the campaign he was not at 44%. he was at 504%. that is that 10 percent difference president obama has so destroyed the confidence of his own party in an independence that he is lagging ten points behind where bill clinton was. he is in terrible political say and for reasons i will review here shortly he is going to get worse before it gets better. i personally believe that 44 percent is a ceiling, not a floor. that is,...
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bill clinton did have a full congress that was republican but bill clinton was democrat. and you have fragmented government, george w. bush had a republican congress for four to eight years. george bush scarcely had the best domestic legislative accomplishment that could rival lyndon johnson or to be fair richard nixon. perhaps the 2012 elections will generate a unified government that will pass its preferred programs but it would be foolhardy, most observers at this time is the more or less maintenance of the status quo in which barack obama will continue to occupy the oval office as the republicans continue to patrol by reversed number of the house of representatives with the senate at this time being up for grabs. so we should be open for the possibility that the current election will fit the shakespearean description of sound and fury signifying nothing or very little with regard to domestic policy and that is what i am focusing on. perhaps not nothing. considered the conclusion of tom friedman's column on april 22nd of this past year in which he expressed great conce
bill clinton did have a full congress that was republican but bill clinton was democrat. and you have fragmented government, george w. bush had a republican congress for four to eight years. george bush scarcely had the best domestic legislative accomplishment that could rival lyndon johnson or to be fair richard nixon. perhaps the 2012 elections will generate a unified government that will pass its preferred programs but it would be foolhardy, most observers at this time is the more or less...
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succumbing you think of for instance bill clinton's nominees and with better ginsburg and stephen breyer. almost no controversy because clinton could have gone far to the left if he had chosen. there were potential nominees who were to the left of ginsburg and breyer but he went to the middle, and they were confirmed with a handful of oppositions. but in president obama's nominees were used the same strategy for both sonya sotomayor and elena kagan were totally mainstream nominees. sonya sotomayor had i believed 17 years as a federal judge. i think more judicial experience coming to the supreme court than any nominee in recent history. elena kagan was highly qualified. my numbers may be off but i think in the justice sonya sotomayor case she got republican votes and i think elena kagan got five. what is going on in the confirmation process? well, i will tell you little story that i heard about the process that is a wake-up call for how broken the system is. so it had appeared right after her nomination that she was calling to get a lot of republican votes. maybe most republican votes. sh
succumbing you think of for instance bill clinton's nominees and with better ginsburg and stephen breyer. almost no controversy because clinton could have gone far to the left if he had chosen. there were potential nominees who were to the left of ginsburg and breyer but he went to the middle, and they were confirmed with a handful of oppositions. but in president obama's nominees were used the same strategy for both sonya sotomayor and elena kagan were totally mainstream nominees. sonya...
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and bill clinton wading right up to the audience questioners showing his compassion and feeling for these people. and it jumped through the screen. and i've had people -- i've had people, you know, these days, telling me, i want to see how they do. it is not -- i want it hear what they have to say about how to solve the economy. they want to see how they do. and i think a lot of things -- the conventional wisdom is that all the debates do is reinforce your ideas about a candidate that you support, or don't support. but there are -- i think there is room that somebody can do something or say something that will really turn people off. and that's what happened with george bush. >> yeah. >> whom ied amir ed amiadmire a >> they were pretty quiet the last couple of days, perhaps practicing memorizing numbers and facts and zingers, but really it is interesting that you point out that -- >> what was that about? >> what is that about? what do you think that is about? >> romney is practicing zingers? he's not very funny. i mean -- >> newt gingrich says he should be funny. you say no? >> i've watch
and bill clinton wading right up to the audience questioners showing his compassion and feeling for these people. and it jumped through the screen. and i've had people -- i've had people, you know, these days, telling me, i want to see how they do. it is not -- i want it hear what they have to say about how to solve the economy. they want to see how they do. and i think a lot of things -- the conventional wisdom is that all the debates do is reinforce your ideas about a candidate that you...
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bush looked at his watch during the debate with bill clinton and ross perot. want to talk to dean, a stand-up comedian, writer, and, of course, contributor. dean, you know performing. you have studied these two guys. you write in your blog the candidates who are funny in the debates tend to get elected. what do you think? either one of these guys going to get a laugh? >> i think they're going to try. i'll be honest with you. let's be honest, you don't need a political consultant to tell you, if you make people laugh, you're creating a bomb with them. you're getting an organic disorderly action. they're laughing and they're feeling more warm to you, and i think it's a thing that's overlooked by mft candidates. i think look at ronald reagan's joke. classic. he used it. he destroyed an issue and made himself more likable at the same time. >> do they need to go in with a strategy to be funny, because sometimes when you plan these things and you bomb, it looks even worse. >> i can tell you, i have told many jokes that have bombed in my career. i can assure you the
bush looked at his watch during the debate with bill clinton and ross perot. want to talk to dean, a stand-up comedian, writer, and, of course, contributor. dean, you know performing. you have studied these two guys. you write in your blog the candidates who are funny in the debates tend to get elected. what do you think? either one of these guys going to get a laugh? >> i think they're going to try. i'll be honest with you. let's be honest, you don't need a political consultant to tell...
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must you have the expansion and people say gosh, what bill clinton's health security act was defeated, but the thing is over the 20 years you don't have a number of expansion efforts, both in the medicaid program through as chip, et cetera that have the public world and has expanded to maniacally. it is hard to see how you reverse the creation of the exchanges, et cetera. i think it is something they will duke it out over, but i think it is going to make coverage absolutely central to our politics. and so, then so, then you'll see a generation of republicans who will just reconcile themselves to it and basically say how do we fix that? when you look at the instruments when the medicare program is created, they did not quite come true. in a way it's a lesson for republicans because in 1964 unit goldwater served as the nominee. the result was he had enormous democratic super majorities in both houses of congress and you were able to see creation of programs that when you think about conservatives right now, they are still wrestling with the legacy of medicare and medicaid programs that
must you have the expansion and people say gosh, what bill clinton's health security act was defeated, but the thing is over the 20 years you don't have a number of expansion efforts, both in the medicaid program through as chip, et cetera that have the public world and has expanded to maniacally. it is hard to see how you reverse the creation of the exchanges, et cetera. i think it is something they will duke it out over, but i think it is going to make coverage absolutely central to our...
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bush or ronald reagan or bill clinton? do they approached these debates differently or do the american people view it differently when you have a sitting president? >> i think so, yes. one of the things that happens is the incumbent is at somewhat of a disadvantage being placed on an equal footing as the challenger, as we talked about before. incumbents have typically had a very rough time in the first debate. i am thinking back to jimmy carter in 1980. ronald reagan in 1984. george h. w. bush in '92. all of these guys who had been in the presidency, they got on that debate stage and came face- to-face with the challenger. it is rattling. they all had a very difficult time getting through the first debate. in each case, they had to up their game as the series went forward. >> you say, "the morning after the debate, will the media the talking about knockout punches? who knows? a little boldness might make good politics." what do you mean? >> i mean this idea of not approaching this debate as an awful obstacle you have to ge
bush or ronald reagan or bill clinton? do they approached these debates differently or do the american people view it differently when you have a sitting president? >> i think so, yes. one of the things that happens is the incumbent is at somewhat of a disadvantage being placed on an equal footing as the challenger, as we talked about before. incumbents have typically had a very rough time in the first debate. i am thinking back to jimmy carter in 1980. ronald reagan in 1984. george h. w....
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bush and bill clinton. we have a third-party candidates now. they are not as perhaps promising in some ways as ross perot or other third-party candidates. the question here from one of our twitter observers -- what have we lost by excluding third- party candidates from the debates? >> we have lost third-party candidates. [laughter] >> and obviously some third party supporters. and i mean this in an objective way, but excluding those who do not, by the numbers, have the chance to hold office -- what do we lose? >> i think we lose risk, people willing to take a risk, given the point that they are already behind, or not likely a person to be chosen. when you think about the primary season's -- often there much more productive because you have people like a ron paul. who are willing to bring up questions, make statements that the primary candidates will not make, because there's too much risk for them. one of the things that the independent or the third party candidates do is move the discourse and a way that is not allowable when you have the two
bush and bill clinton. we have a third-party candidates now. they are not as perhaps promising in some ways as ross perot or other third-party candidates. the question here from one of our twitter observers -- what have we lost by excluding third- party candidates from the debates? >> we have lost third-party candidates. [laughter] >> and obviously some third party supporters. and i mean this in an objective way, but excluding those who do not, by the numbers, have the chance to...
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they all remembered bill clinton's peach. i asked them what moment do you remember most from the republican debate. other than chris christie, they remember clint eastwood talking to the chair. those kids are paying attention. i think the republicans have lost so many opportunities to be able to make their case. i don't know if you're feeling any of that there in new jersey. >> i don't think there's a case to be made. i mean, they can't give any information about their budget. i'm a senior citizen. to be honest with you i'm deathly afraid of them taking over. >> do you trust the paul ryan medicare plan? he said it's only going to affect people who are under the age of 55. >> no, i don't. i don't. besides that, i have a 40-year-old daughter. she's going to be 55 before too long. i don't want to see her suffer. >> here's the question. many people in america are in the fix the pensions are going away they've lost housing values. their 401k's suffered. they want to take away social security and medicare. everything else people ha
they all remembered bill clinton's peach. i asked them what moment do you remember most from the republican debate. other than chris christie, they remember clint eastwood talking to the chair. those kids are paying attention. i think the republicans have lost so many opportunities to be able to make their case. i don't know if you're feeling any of that there in new jersey. >> i don't think there's a case to be made. i mean, they can't give any information about their budget. i'm a...
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this is said to have helped bill clinton. bill clinton. in the 1980 republican primary george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on your candidate seizing a moment you didn't expect to happen. >> there you go again. >> most moments so far this election have been poorly phrased comments. >> if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> they'll put y'all back in chains. >> the media call those gaffes, but often the media don't know. when ed musky lost the '072 primary because he looked like he teared up defending his wife, everyone said candidates can't career, because that's week, but then in 2008 hillary clinton cr
this is said to have helped bill clinton. bill clinton. in the 1980 republican primary george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on...
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notion that bill clinton was inherently illegitimate and nothing too extreme to dislodge him from the white house because he was de-facto illegitimate. and i think with barack obama, this notion that this could not have happened. this was a nightmare inflicted on us by a.c.o.r.n. >> you are so funny. you have the cartoon sense, the way they look at this. the idea that somehow it doesn't belong to the democrats and bill clinton went to russia when he was a kid, he's some sort of mole, some sort of martahari. and even kennedy -- why do they think illegitimately, why does the white house belong in the hands of the toris, if you will, the conservatives? >> because i think it's symbolic. they feel the symbol of the country has got to represent the symbol of the values, pushing what they see is the american value system, which is capitalism unrestrained, this idea of freedom that they have actually glommed on to things, corporations. they believe that the president is the salesman to the world of what they see as the american story, which is that we are about, you know, free enterprise, and
notion that bill clinton was inherently illegitimate and nothing too extreme to dislodge him from the white house because he was de-facto illegitimate. and i think with barack obama, this notion that this could not have happened. this was a nightmare inflicted on us by a.c.o.r.n. >> you are so funny. you have the cartoon sense, the way they look at this. the idea that somehow it doesn't belong to the democrats and bill clinton went to russia when he was a kid, he's some sort of mole, some...
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. >> bill clinton, who is very good at making things simple, as we know, he's done it again this summer, he said this was the most blatant thing, he talked about the florida example, the most blatant k356r78 of voter suppression where he said they were shutting down sunday before voting because that's when black people go to church and go on the buses because they don't have cars. you're the expert. what does this mean to you historically that this has been stopped at least in pennsylvania. >> this is big. all voters in pennsylvania can go vote. if you have an i.d., you can vote. if you don't go one, you can vote. that's critical right now because as you heard tur xi say, they were trying to steal the race in the state and given what this state is, steal it for the entire country. but what this also is sort of in line with is that we're starting to turn the tied. you know, we've won in wisconsin. we've won in texas. we've got a republican governor in the midwest, snyder, to actually veto one of these bills. we got governor mcdonald in virginia also from the gop to say, don't even bring
. >> bill clinton, who is very good at making things simple, as we know, he's done it again this summer, he said this was the most blatant thing, he talked about the florida example, the most blatant k356r78 of voter suppression where he said they were shutting down sunday before voting because that's when black people go to church and go on the buses because they don't have cars. you're the expert. what does this mean to you historically that this has been stopped at least in...
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is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the reason for the -- the reason -- >> reporter: the whole thing is coming together for obama. he's in re-elect territory. >> guys, the numbers don't back that up. our second quarter growth number was 1.3, wasn't it? i mean, how do you get -- why are they saying it's better? >> but chris, the people who study this kind of thing and try to correlate economic numbers with election results will tell you that the numbers were good enough in the second and third quarter in terms of growth of real personal income in the country to correlate to a victory for incumbent president. >> wow. >> no, the numbers hav
is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the...
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retched nixon lied because of coverups and bill clinton i am protested because of lies and coverups, where is the accountability in this administration, own up to the fact that we are at war with an evil force never be molified or satisfied until we're all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical orders, this is about the survival of our civilization, if this administration can't or won't lead in the battle then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and endanger our children. [applause] well, on friday, the office of the director of national intelligence issued a statement, attempting to put the matter to rest, going to washington is the chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. why this document dump on a friday afternoon? >> well, you know, governor, as well as everyone else when you've got bad news, the place you put it is late on friday, what we had with the statement from director of national intelligence, a person who is a top intelligence officer in the united states government and i have the statement right here. and what i
retched nixon lied because of coverups and bill clinton i am protested because of lies and coverups, where is the accountability in this administration, own up to the fact that we are at war with an evil force never be molified or satisfied until we're all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical orders, this is about the survival of our civilization, if this administration can't or won't lead in the battle then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and...
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here is bill clinton at the democratic convention playing saxamaphone. it was either a arithmetic or facts. i was not sure what to put, but to me, -- it is kind of pathetic. democrats were all waiting for somebody to come up and spell out these things clearly, which, apparently, it took bill clinton to come out and say something that democrats felt excited and a rally of about. there might be a communication problem in the white house. here is chris christie speaking at the rnc. [laughter] mitt is down there saying, "don't forget to mention my name, chris." here is a guy running around the republican convention. gops not easy being a convention minority seat filler ." [laughter] clicker. [laughter] nothing to say there. i think the ladies know what i'm talking about. vp choice paul ryan appeals to seniors. scary eddie munster guy. \ here is mitt romney's money. [laughter] chillin'. [laughter] i know a guy that does this fit twitter account called mexican mitt romney -- fake twitter account called mexican mitt romney. he is a big smash on twitter. he was
here is bill clinton at the democratic convention playing saxamaphone. it was either a arithmetic or facts. i was not sure what to put, but to me, -- it is kind of pathetic. democrats were all waiting for somebody to come up and spell out these things clearly, which, apparently, it took bill clinton to come out and say something that democrats felt excited and a rally of about. there might be a communication problem in the white house. here is chris christie speaking at the rnc. [laughter] mitt...
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in 1992, the incumbent president was down nine points and died with bill clinton but october though clinton eventually won. former pollster questioning the assumption made in today's polls. >> these polls are assuming that you have the same high level of african-american, latino an young people vote in 2012 that you had in 2008. >> they said the public poll are varying in the sampling and methodology so it's hard to make the case when they point in one direction, they're all wrong. but we are planning for a close race as we always have. >> another democratic strategist offered this assessment. >> this isn't over. it can move back and forth three and four times between now and november 6. if i'm romney you try to create that momentum. he saw a sign to do it. >> of the eight presidential races in the past ten where the leads were cut or flipped by the opponent, the average was 5%. in some cases a debate moved the needle. bret? >> bret: thanks. today, missouri republican senate candidate todd akin confirmed he was arrested in pro-life demonstration 25 years ago and he is defending a comment th
in 1992, the incumbent president was down nine points and died with bill clinton but october though clinton eventually won. former pollster questioning the assumption made in today's polls. >> these polls are assuming that you have the same high level of african-american, latino an young people vote in 2012 that you had in 2008. >> they said the public poll are varying in the sampling and methodology so it's hard to make the case when they point in one direction, they're all wrong....
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this is said to have helped bill clinton. bill clinton. in the 1980 republican primary george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on your candidate seizing a moment you didn't expect to happen. >> there you go again. >> most moments so far this election have been poorly phrased comments. >> if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> they'll put y'all back in chains. >> the media call those gaffes, but often the media don't know. when ed musky lost the '072 primary because he looked like he teared up defending his wife, everyone said candidates can't career, because that's week, but then in 2008 hillary clinton cr
this is said to have helped bill clinton. bill clinton. in the 1980 republican primary george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on...
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clinton. their sharpest and most substantive change was on iran. united nations, the president appeared to draw a real line in the sand on anff t bu a nuclear weapon. >> so let me be clear. america wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe this is sll time and space to do so. but that time is not limited. make no mistake. a nuclear iran is a challenge that can be containe ut the president's strong words weren't enough to satisfied romney. >> we can look at the record of the last four years. is iran closer to a nuclear weapon or not? we know the answer. it's closer to a nuclear weapon. >> but one tng oband ro cee , just how much they love president bill clinton now. they tried to one-up each other, in fact, in praising the former president and his, of course, the annual global initiative conference. >> if there's one thi we've learned in this ectio seas, he, itew words from bill clinton can do a lot of good. all i've got to do now is to wait for a couple of days for the boun
clinton. their sharpest and most substantive change was on iran. united nations, the president appeared to draw a real line in the sand on anff t bu a nuclear weapon. >> so let me be clear. america wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe this is sll time and space to do so. but that time is not limited. make no mistake. a nuclear iran is a challenge that can be containe ut the president's strong words weren't enough to satisfied romney. >> we can look at the...
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i never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. >> bill: because of the scandal, bill clinton became a second u.s. president to be impeached. who was the first? nixon, polk, martin van burren. >> that is correct. andrew johnson. he escaped by how many votes? >> one. >> a very good. >> bill: one vote he would have been toast. alien extradition acts is most controversial u.s. laws of their time. >> in 1798 french warships seized american vessels trading with england. frightened by the possibility of invasion they passed the alien and sedition act the power to deport any alien and made citizens who criticized the government liable to arrest. >> bill: that sounds like cuba or china. which president signed the alien acts into laws. madison, jackson, jefferson. adams. >> bill: very good, adams. he should have. that was a huge mistake on his part. he a good president but that besmirched his record. thank you very much. it's a little bit elevated from cool, cool to we smirched. word of the day -- besmirched. >> and controversy erupted when it was discovered that u.s. had traded weapon
i never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. >> bill: because of the scandal, bill clinton became a second u.s. president to be impeached. who was the first? nixon, polk, martin van burren. >> that is correct. andrew johnson. he escaped by how many votes? >> one. >> a very good. >> bill: one vote he would have been toast. alien extradition acts is most controversial u.s. laws of their time. >> in 1798 french warships seized american vessels trading...